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Disclaimer: if you aren't going to read this journal completely to understand the concepts I'm bringing up, do not bother to comment. Random angry/drama-spewing comments from TL;DR-ers are unwarranted and unwelcome. Thank you for understanding!


I just had a new complaint about my prices for my Pay to use deviations... I've had a few of these in the past (for both commissions and pay-to-use deviations) and I try to handle them the same way.

1.) calm any frustration
2.) collect my thoughts
3.) and write my explanation for my own actions.
(I seriously have to explain my own actions and decisions that I have chosen for the permissions and pricing of my own creations? Really??)

I know that most people that complain aren't intending to be rude... but they end up looking that way to artists. (Especially to artists that are trying to make some extra $ to support their passions as well as their food, their rent/mortgage, car loans and other bills.) Art isn't just fun and games for a lot of the people here on this site. Many depend on their art for income. Questioning an artist's motives and decisions regarding pricing is insulting to their artistic skill and belittles the fact that they're trying to raise money to cover their financial responsibilities. Many of these artists are trying to pay for food and their college degree because they don't have parents or their parents are unable to support them; these artists have to fend for themselves. It's hard to understand when growing up and completely dependent on parents for food, shelter, and all the bonuses of childhood. Most people don't have things handed to them or changed on a whim; not during nor after childhood.

So when these comments arise, I don't get upset just because this is directed at me. I get upset for the artist community and what these comments end up doing to the community at large. For every artist that isn't strong enough to stand up and stick to their values, the prices drop, the value of art drops, and the artists lose. More expectations for artists to work for a few bucks (or :points:!) per hour of work! (Remember that 100 :points: is needed to get $1 in Paypal since DA takes a 20% cut.) I have vowed that I will not bend to the will of someone that obviously lacks social tact and doesn't value money or the work/talent/skill/time of an artist (beyond the benefit of some good hand-outs and other freebies.) The only time I have adjusted my prices were by my own will (if I saw that something stood out as being too low or high in relation to similar items.)

With all of these thoughts of how the comment devalues my work, my service, my skill, and my financial responsibilities as an artist, I do my best to keep myself calm and not show anger when writing my responses to these. It's never my intent to be mean (especially to people that don't know any better)... I'm simply trying to enlighten and broaden the minds of those who have taken advantage of the horribly low prices of other artists and expect EVERY artist to value their art the same way.

The following is what I replied to the most recent comment which was basically "why is the price so high?" (but with more exaggerated punctuation and tone):
Honestly, the price is far more than reasonable... Allow me to explain:

:bulletgreen: I've already had a number of purchasers buy this item at the current price. Changing the price now wouldn't be fair to anyone else who has purchased it.
:bulletgreen: I don't lower my standards of price just for :points:. 100:points: = $1
:bulletgreen: I worked over 3 hours on this piece. I have included animation, shading, line-art, and instructions so all that needs to be done is color the layers.
:bulletgreen: I make $20 per hour in my day job (which involves almost no creativity or talent.) And my fiance advises that I price my art accordingly. If you do the math, this is priced at 1/6th of the minimum price that my fiance would prefer that I charge.
:bulletgreen: If you don't have enough points but like my art, I have other pay-to-use deviations that may be in your price range.

And before you complain on any other artists' commissions and premium content files like this, please consider this journal: capukat.deviantart.com/journal… A little tact goes a long way in the art community!

Thank you and have a good day!

For future instances, I'll just link them to this journal so I don't have to re-type every time to (re-)validate my stance in my pricing. I encourage others who share my views to do the same. (Hopefully we will spend less time explaining our prices and we can do more art!)

</relatively calm yet passionate rant>




:iconeditplz: I just had a conversation with Music-lovinFox regarding pricing - people were telling them to lower their prices. I completely disagree with those complaints!

Here is some advice that I shared with them so YOU CAN STAND UP to people that complain about your prices:

  • Let your price sheet educate the watchers you have - Sometimes if you segment the prices out into different "add-on"s (like pricing a Full-color picture as $10 and offer the add-ons of $5 shading or $10 full shaded painterly style) people can see the value that is added and why they're paying for the extra work/skill/talent/time you provide!
  • Find watchers who won't complain - If the same people keep telling you to lower your prices, that just means you need to spread your exposure and find more supporters that understand and agree with your pricing. You can start by adding your commission artwork and price journals to more groups like Advertising-Anything and any of the groups that are dedicated to commissions like:
:iconcommission-world: :iconcommission-me-gently: :iconcommissionpromoter: :iconcommission-network:
:iconcommission-share: :iconpoint-commishes: :iconpaypal-commissioners:

Having trouble attracting more watchers? Most people won't wander randomly to your page. And there are a lot of people on this crazy site that may never see your work if you don't go to them first! They have to find you in someone's front page, journal, or :+fav:s. Watchers watch you because they like you as a person or they like your art. If you're having trouble getting noticed, there are a number of ways to self-promote on Deviant Art:
  1. BE NICE! - Stay positive, greet people, and thank them. Don't yell at people for commenting on your front page or for not knowing where something is (that scares people away D:)
  2. PRETTY PROFILE - Make your profile look nice so that people can easily find information that they want to see (like commission info) or something pretty/cute/funny. Try to reduce clutter (stamps, PLZ accounts, animated gifs, etc)
  3. GIVE LLAMAS - give them out, people sometimes come to check out your artwork or profile!
  4. SUPPORT ARTISTS - :+fav:, feature people's artwork, leave thoughtful/insightful comments, and watch lots of people - more people you do nice things for, the more likely they'll stop by your page and possibly watch you back^^
  5. DISPLAY YOUR ART EVERYWHERE - Add your artwork to LOTS of groups based on different subjects, themes, styles, and topics!
  6. GIVE POINTS - Hold contests where people win :points: or premium memberships or donate :points: to be featured in a group or on someone's page!
  7. COMMISSION PEOPLE - Commission lots of people or save up to commission popular artists to draw your OC - You may have a cool/unique/recognizable character but may not be noticed someone until you have your awesome character drawn by an amazing artist on DA!
  8. EVOLVE YOUR ART - If you show a level of determination to improve as an artist, that can be attractive to new watchers! One good place to start is the P.E.A.S. method! In that journal I have listed some of my :+fav:s gallery folders that contain reference photos and tutorials that can help with anatomy, shading, fur, and line-art! ^^

I hope that helps! :tighthug:
Craz
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Vocol Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm putting a link to this in my commissions journal because people seam to think I have a high price when the highest is really $25 and that's still to cheap and no one buys from me because it's "to much" and "not worth it."
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JomoOval Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I strongly agree with everything in this journal! XD
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TzikiiWolf Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2013  Student Filmographer
This is brilliant, thanks for making everyone aware Craz! ;) I have a similar issue where I'm always scared to raise prices, but in the end, if you not happy with what you're charging for your work, it becomes demoralising :P
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RedianWolff Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You have a right to ask for however much you want to charge for your art. If they want to complain about the price that's their problem. They can go buy cheaper art, with lesser quality, somewhere else.
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8TwilightAngel8 Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2013  Student General Artist
I agree with you, and its very frustrating when people do not take the artist's expenses into account when trying to understand the price. I've had people get upset over my private photo print prices before. I wasn't selling just yet, but i listed the prices just so people would know for later. A girl noted me and said i should charge $4 for an 8x10 inch print because that was what walmart did :wtf:

That really pissed me off, so i gave her a few paragraphs explaining why i was charging $20 (i was printing them myself, buying cardboard envelopes so they would not be bent by the carriers, slip covers for extra protection, a couple dollars for my editing/shooting time- an "artist fee" so to speak, and international shipping- i calculated an average price based on where most of my traditional art customers came from to create a generic price for everyone). She shut up after that.

For commissions i have had no complaints. I know i do undercharge but i am in the process of changing that, especially since i need to save for schooling abroad. I try to base my prices on media (i do mainly traditional) and the average time working with each media i use.

All of the people who complain i think should take an arts based business course. They would understand then why we charge "a lot" for our services. I understand it a lot better now thanks to that :D
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Sheishido Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Anyone that doesn't want to pay your price, doesn't have to commission you. Let them go elsewhere to see if they can get what they want cheaper. They might succeed but we all know it won't be the same. The reason they approached you in the first place was because there was something about what you do that they liked. Every hand, eye, mind, and soul is different and we all know a person's essence cannot be duplicated or replicated. You shouldn't have to be questioned about anything nor should you have to consider dropping prices. This isn't a flea market or a swap-meet. If you drop your prices, it should be because you want to, not because people are being pissy about paying for your time, effort, and skill.
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Deazea Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
I have had people complain about my prices too, its down right insulting when someone comes to you and says "I love your art! How much would you charge for this character to be drawn? [link of a abnormally cluttered and almost impossible to recreate character]"

you give them a simple quote, even at that point I explain extra charges like "you trying to get me to work the word "rawr" into the FUR of a wolf and trying to make me do this fur in a realistic shading and texture while making the word still readable, this is going to cost extra cause it will be a pain in the butt and very well could add HOURS onto the work" they complain and tell me "I wont pay more than $20 for that!"

and yes people have used the line "I wont pay more than $... for that" on me before, it was very insulting.
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Stygma Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's very hard. Either you do very simple art for cheap or your an astounding artist who can sell someting for 50$ and more. But if you're in the middle, it seems your not interesting for those who have limited ressources and your are also not interesting for those who commission professional-grade artists. I had to let go 3 hours or my time for 600 points, because I need to make myself known. I'm lucky I don't need that to put bread on the table.
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ZephyrMaximum Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
YES! I AGREE! May I post this in my journal?
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 20, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Absolutely! :la: The more people that see this, the better! :hug: Thank you!
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Angelwolf92 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Student Digital Artist
I cut my prices in half because no one wanted anything from me (and my most expensive thing was $12 before the cut for a fully colored, shaded, detailed, digital pic) and all it did was reduce my quality and incentive to work. In fact it WAS insulting. I thought that Ihd improved on my art but apparently not if people atstill think my art is too expensive. I need the money to pay for college and a car so I definitely understand
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Keeshaba Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I totally agree with you. My problem is no one either wants/likes my art. So no one commissions me. I have my prices set on free. And still, there are one or two that will occasionally throw an idea at me, but otherwise...nuthin'.

I sometimes wish high priced artists would throw a sale, though. I'd love to commission from some of the greater artists, but I can't afford 50.00. I'm not going to complain, but I cross my fingers, watch their journals, and see what happens.
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KarmaDash Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never complain, I can;t but (because I have no moneys) but the art is at that price because it DESERVES to be that price
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blackmustang13 Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Student Digital Artist
aggrreeeeeeeeee!!!!
a lot of people dont understand that for some artists, commissions = their job!!
art is how I make my bills every month so it sucks when people dont take it seriously, ya know?
we gotta make something per hour and make the time we spend on artwork for someone else worth it, just willy nilly giving art for free or giving it for pennies would not help us in the least bit.
if someone really wants art they have to understand the time and effort we put into what we do :)
I think the thing you brought up about not having to depend on parents is a good point too, a lot of the people on DA are young and still live at home so the concept of money probably doesn't apply yet for most of them. I think thats why its so much more successful for commissions on FA, because most people there are adults and understand that you have to pay a bit more to get nice things... and also they have jobs lol.
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CarolinaDog Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
I NEVER complain about prices of art. I mean, I watch how much effort goes into my girlfriend's work so I mean....I guess there's just a certain respect you gain with watching it. ;;
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EmpressOfDestruction Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree whole heartedly on this topic. Price is set based on how much time and effort is put into the art work. Even if it's not intended, it's extremely rude to tell someone you are watching to lower their prices.

Thank you for writing this journal. I hope those that complain read it and understand it v_v
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fenicksreborn Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Student Writer
I think these are all valid points and really, you shouldn't have to continually explain yourself to people. I know you don't want them going elsewhere for their art fix, but really, if they don't like your prices and don't want to pay you for the time and effort that you put in, then they can go pound sand. Most artists price things fairly reasonable and if I can't afford something, I put it on my wishlist for future use (that's what they're there for!) and save up or hope that someone gets them for me for birthdays/holidays. It's not right of me to tell the artist what they can charge just because I can't afford it at that time.
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FenrisxWolf Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
Thanks alot lovely ^^ This is really insightful and helpful :D
I'm always scared of overpricing my art, or atleat, what I think is overpricing. Because I know alot of people complain, (and I'm not too confident about my art anyway), I have the mindset that I'd rather sell something for cheaper than it's worth than not at all. I guess I need to stop thinking that way and sell my work for what it's really worth and take account that my time and efforts really are worthy of the prices I truly want

Thanks again hun ^^ I'll be sure to remember this next time I feel my confidence in prices slipping :)
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DraconaVampira Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you!
This is a very insightful journal and well worth the read!!

/only complaints of prices is never having enough money, but instead of complaining sticks the artist in the back of mind waiting to have enough to commission them/

I've always thought that if an artist is out of a person's price range that they should save up, just as if you would do if you wanted something from the store but didn't have enough. You wouldn't tell Walmart to lower their prices.

But yes, thank you for this journal. I may just have to post my own linking to this one. It needs to be seen!
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I'm glad that you enjoyed it! :tighthug: I've had the "Oh I wish I had more money" comments but I don't consider them complaints - They're just (as you said) keeping them in the back of their mind for a time with better financial standing. ^^

I completely agree with saving up for art - because if it's all you wanted and more, it's worth every penny! :D

Thank you very much for sharing - I really appreciate the help and the support! :huggle: I hope that this will help many more in the future!
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DraconaVampira Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
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Yes same here.

Every commission I've bought in the past was well worth the money I can vouch for that!

You are very welcome ^^ I do as well
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Ondjage Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I totally agree with you ! If people think the price is not fair, they should try to do what you do and see this is not easy ! Most of people don't really understand all the talent and hardwork in art sometimes ...
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whitepup Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
Thank you very much for this journal. It is perfect in every way. You are an amazing person.
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xXAkilaXx Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I totally agree with you .__.
..and thanks for the tips you gave. I think they will help me and others alot ^^'
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GopherFrog Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Wait, you can turn points into real money? 8V teachmeyourwayssensei
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
:giggle: YES! YOU CAN! :dummy:

I usually get my :points: converted through the Pay-to-use deviations (like this [link] or this [link] ) but I think the commission widget for profiles works the same way ^^ You just go to the top menu bar under "Shop" - click on "Earnings" and you can see the points that are in a holding container as "Pending transactions" - This means you can change these points into Paypal $, Check $, or :points: :la:

Also you could potentially :points: launder by having a side account.
1 Premium account accumulates useless points from Poll donations/gifts/llama-trade
2 Premium account gives useless points to side-account
3 Side-account buys a Pay-to-use deviation from the Premium account
4 DA takes their cut and Premium account converts useless points into "Pending Transaction" $$$!
5 Withdraw after transactions are complete and you have the minimum of $5 to transfer to Paypal ^^
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GopherFrog Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
8V
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Sky-Strike Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
Way to stand up for us artists! I agree with your views wholeheartedly and I'm happy to hear that you're keeping your cool in the situations that present themselves. It's hard to not lose it when someone insults your talents, purposeful or not.

I usually look to charge 20 dollars an hour for my work, but the art communities that I've fallen into at times has discouraged me from doing so. ; w ; There was one point in the past where I was spending 6 hours on a comic page for 10 dollars... Guaranteed I was a lot less skilled back then, but it really kills a part of your creative process too.

This journal is a good piece of information, and I wish I could FAVORITE it. XD <3

Ps, hi and I miss you! :hug:
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Oof! I remember those slave-wage days! xD It's sad that they're still sort of happening now :P Expectations for lowered prices have hurt the artists that stand up for themselves and it will only get worse if we keep breaking under pressure. :(

Oh! And you actually CAN :+fav: it if you wanted to! WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY! :dummy: DA has changed a lot in the recent years! xD

ps HERRO! I miss you too! :huggle:
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Sky-Strike Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
Yeh, I think when you get a lot of artists together who have to compete in a small pool, it's going to happen somewhat. XD

AND OMG I thought that I could? And instead of going to check, I was all 'I probably dreamt it'. Jeez!
Faved. :heart:
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
True true! :P It's dog-eat-dog out there :lol:

xDDDD :glomp: Thank you, bub!
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mereni Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013
People don't seem to realise that they are not only paying for x amount of hours working on a piece, but also x amount of years the artist has had to train/learn what they know just so they can offer commissions in the first place.
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Absolutely right! And a lot of the time, there are art students that are not only making up for lost time but also those hefty college loans that will burden them for years to come...
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mereni Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013
Exactly! At the end of the day you won't go and buy a car then moan about the price of it. Art is a privilege, something to spoil yourself or others with and if you don't like the price then that's tough. So many artists undercharge these days, it's so sad.
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triangIe Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Very frustrating to have that happen. Your artwork is worth $100-infinity. I don't think people realize how valuable art is, really. I wish I had the damn picture that someone posted about "fair" prices.... It said that back not so long ago pieces that were a fairly large size (take the largest painting in your house or maybe the size of a tall but slim window) was worth thousands to millions, and are still sold at art shows for that much. So, when I see an artist like you who could CLEARLY get much, much more I think in my head, "Your art is too wonderful to be sold for, what, $10-$30?" (Sorry, I haven't had a chance to check your prices. xD) Bottom line is, any artist has the right to charge a motherfucking thousand bucks for their piece, and back in the old days I'm pretty sure nobody said, "God! $1,000? Hell fucking no bring that shit down to $300!" It just makes me mad when people say that $5 is too much for a fullbody of an animal or something (I charge $3 for my chibis). $5 is not going to pay your bills, get oil in your car tank (or maybe you have two or three cars!), have money for emergencies, visit someone/go somewhere, etc. Hell, $5 barely pays for a meal anymore. (Unless you order a $1 any size drink at McDonald's and get a plain hamburger and medium fries. :3) Haha, went on my own expedition there sorry xD. I agree with you very much, though.
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Awwww! :tighthug: You're too sweet! :iconblushplz: :iconrubcheeksplz: Sometimes I don't feel like my art is worth a lot but I try not to let my super high expectations for self-improvement get in the way of reasonable profit-making!

LOL! I completely agree! I used to see people saying: "Full-body sketch for 5:points:... Full-body full color 10:points:.... Full-body full color with background 15:points:" And a little piece of me dies inside D: These people are clearly working at sweatshop wages... mere cents per hours of work! Not even the worst artists on DA should accept working for such low prices.

I understand that you have to start somewhere. I started with trades and gifts and worked up to commissions for Paypal profits (*old crotchety grandma voice* "Back in my day, they didn't have these things called "Points"! We made REAL money with our back-breaking labor!" lol) Yes, :points: are cool (and work wonderfully as a way for DA to make money) but I think a lot of the new artists lose sight of what's realistic because it's distorted by this new currency. It seems like some people treat a single point as having more value than it's truly worth. $15 does not equal 15:points: $0.15 barely equals 15:points:! And this lack of understanding continues to hurt the artist and the community.

As for your chibis, $3 is FAR TOO LOW for chibis that are so cute and practically perfect! D: I think you could raise by at least $2 extra... just so commissioners aren't scared away in flocks lol... then as you continue to evolve your style, you could charge closer to $10, $15, etc! :la:
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triangIe Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ah you're welcome! :la: You deserve much, much more than what you get. And thank you so much for what you said! :la: Means a lot, really, coming from a person like you to have my chibis called cute and practically perfect. <3 I'm so sorry about Starbuck, also. May I offer a chibi of her? ;u;
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Awww bub! ♥ you're so incredibly sweet! I would absolutely love having a chibi of my little girl made by you! ;u; but I'd feel really bad since you're taking commissions!
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triangIe Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thank you! ♥ Oh and don't worry about it, it's my pleasure since you're a huge inspiration/idol of mine ;u; Can we be friends? //socially awkward bub here hehe <3 Not to mention you've seemed to have a hard time lately, so really it would be so unfair to make you pay or anything ;o; Plus I had eye surgery last Friday so I really need to get back into drawing xD Do you have a ref sheet for her? If not then a reference will do! c:
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Awww! xD :iconplatyglompplz: Of course we can be friends! :la: :huggle:

Aww geez! It doesn't sound like times have been too good to either of us lately D: I'm sorry you had to have eye surgery! Did it go well? How do you feel? (On a sick and sort of weird note, I work in the global packaging department for Bausch and Lomb... so maybe I worked on the packaging for the surgical instruments that operated on your eye, which is kinda awesome for me on a nerdy-level since I never thought I'd know someone that would have eye surgery! xD I'm sorry if that was a little too excited/creepy ^^; lol)

I don't really have a reference sheet for Starbuck but I have a gallery of pictures and drawings I did with her involved ♥ [link] I think these are best for her face markings: [link] + [link] and the best full-body picture of her is on this old ref sheet here: [link]
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triangIe Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Here is your baby Starbuck!! ♥ [link]
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triangIe Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yay! :la: :hug:
It went pretty well from what I can tell. <: I feel pretty good, although I won't be able to wear contacts until tomorrow xD And that's actually pretty cool o: Maybe I should ask my surgeon who packaged their supplies, that's awesome if you did o: Just curious, how do you package items? It sounds like something I'd like to do sometime, I've always liked packaging stuff for some reason xDD
And great references! ♥ I promise I'll have her done with most likely the next hour or two, so just check your messages every so often, I'll link her from your reply! :la:
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Oh good!! I'm glad you're doing well! :phew: I know they're standard procedures now but I saw a video and it looks like something I'd try to avoid at all costs xDDDD

Oh yay packaging! :love: I love printing and graphics so this works well for a full-time job! Packaging for surgical stuff is like the packaging on anything that you'd buy at a store, really! ^^ Fluids need bottles with labels on them, and they get packaged into boxes with directions for use. I work on the labels, boxes, and directions for things like that but also fabricated lenses (to replace lens that has been damaged by cataract) and the little injectors that squirt the fabricated lenses into peoples' eyes! It's not as interesting as it sounds xD I just play with type and files all day lol! The files I work on get printed at a number of different printers, then those printed containers/labels/etc get shipped to the manufacturer (Bottles and cartons go to the site where fluids are made so they can be bottled and shipped out, Cartons for injectors get shipped to the injector factory to get packaged there.) :la:

Oh! Wow, that's mighty fast!! :wow: Thank you so much! ;u;

And I forgot to mention, I added you to my Journal page widget and profile page widget of cool peeps to commission! :la: :glomp:
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MunchyPaws Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You nailed it, Craz! Always a good idea to stand up to things like this.
Some people don't get it because they haven't been in a similar situation.

As a student getting a degree in (Music) Audio Recording, you start to make connections in not only how the music business works, but other creative areas as well : )
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
Oh dear, music is another creative profession that is belittled on a daily basis; my father was a musician in multiple bands when I was growing up. The world's mentality has changed from collecting records to "music should be free" - Musicians used to be able to rely on the income from record sales and concentrate on the next album and enjoy their lives. But now a musician has to depend on tours and gigs (which are a great way to connect with the fans but take up a lot of time and the travel and long sets wear on them one show after another as they travel coast to coast and even internationally.)

It's always difficult for someone to see something a whole new way when they aren't presented with an opportunity to think about it or they aren't thrown into the middle of it. A lot of this tends to be an "Oh, I didn't think of it that way" situation that isn't common-sense but should at least be taught in grade-school.
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MunchyPaws Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Well, within grade-school, there are the many subjects they tackle anyways... that it doesn't really 'fit'; the common sense essentials in life, sadly, don't pop up that often until you're likely in college.

Sadly, unless you learn more about the profession, you tend to feel a bit 'out of the loop' with how things are going. I was in a similar situation with the Microsoft/Sony deal with the new consoles. I kept saying flat to a friend of mine of how Sony had this... but my friend did say to look at ALL the perspectives; why Microsoft intended for the course they originally wanted to go.

Of course, even with Microsoft changing up A LOT of what got the internet raffled... I still think they blew it in terms of the respect level for consumers.
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BaIto Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Okies i agree with Craz in this journal completely but you guys commenting calling the people who ask about why prices are so high shouldn't be so quick to judge like Craz said not everyone has parents money and such and yes potential buyers could be in that situation too so they ask so before calling them stingy jerks and whatever have a think about that too? Not all complaints are done because people are cheap butt flaps just saying xD
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
xDDD You're too sweet! :tighthug: But seriously, I think a lot of these people don't know any better. Business sense isn't common-sense. And a lot of young artists have a poor concept of the value of their own art. It's a vicious cycle between people wanting things cheap and artists wanting to please others.
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BaIto Featured By Owner Jun 21, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
xD Thankyou and yeah like me I'm personally clueless when it comes to anything money related but I avoid trouble by not taking commissions or buying things unless nescaserry xD Please ignore my bad grammar I'm super tired xD
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Crazdude Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
xDDDD No worries! :glomp: Get some sleep, you! :lol:
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